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I believe the reason A is penalized in E3 is because they continued to alter their course after X had past head to wind. Similar to the example in the video.
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3 hours ago by correction
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Looked to me that as Gtown continued to alter course Haeger didn't have an out. Had Buckingham held course, she would have kept clear. The fact that he was heading up to round the mark is not relevant, he is still a right-of-way boat changing course and thereby subject to rule 16.1.

If I were Annie I would not have spun and let Buckingham take the red flag.
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3 hours ago by Knowledgeable Coward
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Buckingham was on starboard, his proper course was to sail head to wind and tack around the mark. As he headed up, (on his proper course), Haeger did not avoid him. Rather than hit Haeger and break rule 14, Buckingham entered a tack and avoided contact.

If you sail head to wind on starboard and a port boat forces you to tack, the port boat is at fault. Rule 10.
Furthermore, the reason boat A is penalized in Team Racing Call E3 is because X did not have time to avoid, since Haeger had the time to avoid, Buckingham did not foul.
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4 hours ago by Anonymous Coward
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looked like he crossed head to wind
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5 hours ago by Anonymous Coward
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Anonymous coward, what rules do you sail under? She was keeping clear, then he kept altering course until she was in a position where nothing that she could have done would have have enabled her to keep clear. If he was altering course towards her at around one second proior to hitting her (time it for yourself) it's his foul. Or are you telling me that when a port boat is crossing you would keep altering course up to a second before you hit them? Charlie broke 16.1. See team racing call E3.
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6 hours ago by Gone hunting
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lookin good ladies. GO BLUE
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7 hours ago by F.C.
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who knew a team could look so good?
especially with canfield rocking that gotee
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7 hours ago by fan of the gotee
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There is no rule that says Buckingham can't head up.
Haeger had enough time to avoid (16), he didn't hit her (14), and he didn't pass head to wind (13).
The only rule that was in play was Starboard [Buckingham] - Port [Haeger] (10).
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9 hours ago by Anonymous Coward
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What the hell was Buckingham doing at the windward mark? Heard of hunting?? Or am I missing something? pleeeeze tell me I am....
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March 14 at 10:37pm by Gone hunting
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hi
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March 14 at 8:48pm by Phil Pilon
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hi
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March 14 at 8:34pm by Phil Pilon
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Kid second from the right is a straight thug... real talk
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March 14 at 7:00pm by EMBI
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Chirs Love's sister, Ali, stayed at Cornell to cheer on their hockey team last night. Big Red beat Harvard.
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March 14 at 10:54am by Anonymous Coward
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way to steal my pictures, rude.
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March 13 at 9:26pm by Rachel Ellis
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that hair is ridiculous.
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March 13 at 9:25pm by Rachel Ellis
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damn those people are hawt
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March 13 at 9:23pm by Rachel Ellis
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Navy Women's Spring Intersectional
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March 13 at 11:25am by sra5
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There is a tack and a jibe after the foul - penalty complete
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March 13 at 10:25am by Wasabi
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Anytime there is contact 14 is broken and a penalty is owed - same team or not.
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March 13 at 10:24am by Wasabi
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I give this a 10.
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March 12 at 10:12pm by The Boom
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wtf? Why won't these videos load??
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March 12 at 9:06pm by Anonymous Coward
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2 flags, are you sesting potential improvements are a bad thing? Should we go back to the days before a two length zone around our marks where chaos could ensue at mark roundings?
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March 12 at 12:27pm by Bryan Mcdonald
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important to note that #15706 and #17321 are on the same team so there is no foul between them. The foul is between #15706 and #15705 at time 0:26.
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March 12 at 9:26am by Patrick Rynne
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awesome!
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March 12 at 8:48am by Leif Evensen
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If a sailor messes up a roll tack (this happens at every event) should we change the rules on roll tacking as well so that you can not roll? The 2-flag system is simple; learn it, PRACTICE IT, do it. Don’t put a child in a wheel chair because they fall down trying to walk. When an adult falls they are drunk and that is their own fault. When an elderly person falls put them in a wheel chair and send them home.
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March 12 at 6:32am by 2 flags no excuses
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Obviously, whenever umpires are involved, their calls will have an effect on the end results of the race. I believe that under the two flag procedure, boats have the "luxury" of threatening with a protest, even though they might be the one infringing the rules. With the one flag system, there is no wiggle room. So, before you go about protesting a boat, you must be dead sure that you are right. On the flipside, if you are being protested, you also must know the rules, why spin if you don't think you have to. The single flag protest places a premium on knowing the playbook. Having a system in place that encourages sailors to know the rules in and out enhances the sport. And colin, this sport THRIVES on the weekend warriors.
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March 12 at 12:13am by Single Flag Supporter
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Thanks for the feedback Colin.

Again, last weekend, zero procedural errors for over 70 races. I've never seen that before.
I tried my best to not skew the presentation. Listen to Frank of UCI. He said he wanted to think about the two procedures before deciding which he liked better. If I wanted to skew things, why would I post Frank?
The USC guy came up to me out of the blue and said he really dug the new procedure (no scripting or anything...just walked up to me and said he thought it was a better system).
Sounds like your simplification is to keep the two flag system but not green flag if they don't give the protested boat enough time to spin. Interesting idea but still twice as many flags as single flag (and counter to what the Stanford sailor said when he stated he would just protest and get on with the sailing...in your simplification, he needs to wait a bit, throw up another hail and then keep on sailing).
How about this: use single flag and for all those people who want to STOP the umpires, after about 10 seconds they get to yell "NO UMPIRE" to signal they don't want an umpire call. This way it preserves the simplicity of the single flag and yet provides an avenue to NOT have an umpire call if that's what the protestor wants. Make sense?
I hope you know that I'm a fan of doing what sailors want to do. I am hopeful some events in the USA can trial this and decide on their own which system they prefer.
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March 11 at 11:28pm by Bryan Mcdonald
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"Team Racer" I think you missed my point entirely. How do you get that out of what I wrote?

Bryan
Under the single flag system, if you don't raise your hand at the first reasonable opportunity you can never get an umpire call later. This could be considered a procedural error. A shorter procedure isn't necessarily a simpler one.
You present this "simple" one-line procedure that leaves out the whole part about what rules are protestable such as rules of part 2, etc. You included them with the existing version when you did the screen by screen comparison. Likewise, your one-liner does not talk about identifying a sail number. In a three boat pile up, who are you protesting, and how will the umpire know who you are portesting? Better yet, you leave all of number 4 out of your one-liner. So there is no official way for an umpire to even fly a flag as your system doesn't say what colors an umpire can fly and what they
mean. Under your system there is not a verbal hail which is a thing I think all competitor want. I think you presented it in a slightly skewed way.
Here's an idea. If the protestor flies a yellow flag with "umpire" too quickly after the red with "protest", the protest is still valid but the umpires will give the other competitor a little bit of time to start a spin before they make a call. This way you keep the intent of the existing rules, with a slight buffer in procedure.
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March 11 at 8:50pm by Colin
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GO EAGLES!
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March 11 at 8:38pm by Alum
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This is another interesting situation that could be called different ways.

The reference to D4 is correct, specifically Question/Answer 2 of D4. Link to the callbook is here
http://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/ISAFCallBookforTeamRacingRevisedNov09-[8151].pdf
There is more to this than what is outlined in D4 however.
First we start with a port/starboard. The port boat (keep clear) sails a course astern of the starboard boat. The only issue (not in the testimony, but visible in the video) at time 0:36, we see the starboard tack boat begins to turn into a tack as the port tack boat is ducking. IF an umpire thinks that the port tack boat at this point has to duck additionally because of this turn, then 15708 could get a penalty for breaking 16.2.
at time 0:37, it appears 15708 is head to wind, and therefore the keep clear boat. This is also when 13215 begins turning up, and is required to respect 16.1.
Since it is very clear that the first contact occurs while 13215 is turning, then he (Max) breaks 16.1.
So in review the following 2 scenarios could happen. Both boats could get flagged (Jensen for breaking 16.2, and Max for breaking 16.1), or just Max gets flagged for 16.1.
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March 11 at 8:24pm by Patrick Rynne
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