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Jeff Dusek
2 years ago
I was fortunate enough to be able to umpire the NEISA qualifier which was held at the Coast Guard academy a few weeks ago. The event was very well run, and overall the quality of racing was high. The boat handling was in general good, and most of the teams seemed to have some idea how the match race game is played. |
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Response
2 years ago
Really Quiet Thinker is the only one who brought facts into this topic. I don't think many people were aware of the ISAF ranking factor involved with this decision. There are a few left over points I think need to be made here however. |
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Quiet Thinker
2 years ago
Couple things to start with. The change in disciplines was not a knee-jerk reaction by any group of individuals. This discipline was discussed for nearly two years before it was approved. As for weight restrictions, it is mandatory to have the restriction that it has in order to get the event ISAF graded which was a major point for the approval of Match Racing instead of fleet. The weight number is not arbitrary either as it's the same as other ISAF MR events with the same crew numbers. |
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Meh
2 years ago
It's a good idea, but until Taylor Canfield graduates it's kind of pointless for anyone else to even try... |
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Henry Schultz
2 years ago
All sailing is good, all racing is good! |
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thoughts, or dreams?
2 years ago
RE: Thoughts |
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Lame
2 years ago
There are umpires and judges making decisions that affect the outcome in team racing and fleet racing too, and thank god we have them! Match racing may not be right for college sailors but not because of umpiring. That's a pretty lame thing to say. |
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Bo
2 years ago
Anything that includes more umpires making decisions about who wins the race is a bad idea |
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Tom Charpentier
2 years ago
I think it's a good idea and I hope it grows. Most elite sailing programs around the world incorporate match racing as at least part of their curriculum. Many if not most of the world's most prestigious professional inshore circuits use the match racing format. While I understand that the majority of us will never go pro, we are hobbling our top sailors if we limit their exposure to the match racing discipline at an age when their peers in countless other countries are already well advanced in their training. It is of course up to the individual sailors whether or not they want to compete in events such as the World Match Racing Tour or the America's Cup, but I suspect there are at least some who do, and we are not doing them any favors by ignoring perhaps the most "layman-friendly" (and thus TV-friendly) of sailing's disciplines. |
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Relevance
2 years ago
Another debate that we should talk about on another thread is weather college sailing does a good job of preparing young sailors for high level competition after college. A lot of Olympic hopefuls and big boat racers say "no," since it only favors sailors of a certain weight sailing certain low-performance, un-tunable dinghies on courses way shorter than you'll ever find in any international competition. |
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Thoughts
2 years ago
The addition of "Match Racing" really was not thought out at all for the rules and the format of the event. Yes it is true that there is a WOMENS MATCH RACE SCENE. But then why is there only the addition of one woman on the boat? And not the skipper? Really doesn't make much sense. Why is there a weight limit? Does it really matter what the weight of the boat is, and why is there a sudden restriction on the weight of a sloop boat or ANY boat in collegiate competition? If there is a team with a four man crew who wants to be 1000lbs, is that such a big deal? Throughout the life of collegiate sailing it has been apparent that it has been for the interest and inclusion of all eligible competitors within a college or university. Why does my 250lb friend get restricted from the sloop team this year because of his weight? This simply doesn't seem to be within the realm of what collegiate sailing is all about. It really seems like the creators and advocates of this change were more interested in being a part of the change itself then the actual benefits or negatives of the change. Match racing is an interesting part of sailboat racing, but I agree with the question at hand, is it really that good for college racing? |
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Thoughts
2 years ago
The addition of "Match Racing" really was not thought out at all for the rules and the format of the event. Yes it is true that there is a WOMENS MATCH RACE SCENE. But then why is there only the addition of one woman on the boat? And not the skipper? Really doesn't make much sense. Why is there a weight limit? Does it really matter what the weight of the boat is, and why is there a sudden restriction on the weight of a sloop boat or ANY boat in collegiate competition? If there is a team with a four man crew who wants to be 1000lbs, is that such a big deal? Throughout the life of collegiate sailing it has been apparent that it has been for the interest and inclusion of all eligible competitors within a college or university. Why does my 250lb friend get restricted from the sloop team this year because of his weight? This simply doesn't seem to be within the realm of what collegiate sailing is all about. It really seems like the creators and advocates of this change were more interested in being a part of the change itself then the actual benefits or negatives of the change. Match racing is an interesting part of sailboat racing, but I agree with the question at hand, is it really that good for college racing? |

Chris Love 2 years ago
In just a few weeks, the Intercollegiate Sailing Association (ICSA) will hold its first Sloop National Championshipship using the new match racing format, November 20-21 at Kings Point.
Previous to this year, Sloops was always a fleet race. Many voices in college sailing called for a change on the grounds that Sloops was so unlike the rest of the championships (team racing, singlehanded men's and women's, coed dinghies and women's dinghies) that it was no longer relevant or practical. A motion was made, and eventually passed, to keep the championship but switch to a match race format, staying in line with the adoption of women's match racing as an Olympic sport and the growing popularity of match racing in the US.
Surely this first year will be a learning experience for all--sailors, coaches, hosts and ICSA organizers. Most sailors in ICSA have never sailed a match race in their lives, while BC's Taylor Canfield is ranked number 31 in the world! But, after a few runnings of this event, the hope is that teams will learn the game and excel at it, putting as much priority on match racing as the other arms of the college sailing game.
What do you think? Is match racing any more relevant to college sailing than sloop fleet racing was? Is there time in the schedule to practice and hold regular season events while still competing in the other events? Is match racing good for college sailing?