You Make the Call - Episode 5

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Uploaded by Patrick Rynne | March 17, 2010

A downwind windward leeward situation between the Williford brothers.

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 Patrick Rynne 2 years ago

The windward/leeward situation begins at around time 0:53. Since Duncan (15706) sailed into this position, Chris (15705 - the leeward boat) is not required to give the windward boat room to keep clear under Rule 15.

Chris is continuously heading Duncan up slowly, and at time 0:56, Duncan throws the board up. I would argue that this is not conducive to "keeping clear".
At time 0:57, it appears as if Duncan begins to bear away slightly towards Christopher. Now Duncan is in real trouble in the eyes of an umpire.
Note: @ time 0:57, Duncan is not entitled to call for room to duck the port tacker directly in front of him...since the port tacker is not an obstruction.
At time 0:58, Chris heads up a little more, but remember he has been heading up slowly the entire time leading up to this point.
Duncan finally responds at time 1:00, but at this point it's too late. He is too close to begin with, and won't be able to keep clear.
Flag Duncan for breaking Rule 11. If an Umpire wanted to, he/she could flag Christopher also for breaking Rule 14, but I wouldn't since it was very light contact.
~patrick

Alie Toppa 2 years ago

I think that ever since Duncan jibed into the overlap, Christopher was heading up. So I do not think Christopher would be flagged for not giving Duncan enough room to keep clear. Also, it looked liked Duncan was not even trying to head up to keep clear.

Terry 2 years ago

Terry,

This is team racing. There are going to be "issues" in every race. I'm sure the reason we see these two kids time and time again is because they both know the rules so well and have the talent to execute the moves, leading to interesting situations for us wannabe umpires. That's why they are two of the top Opti sailors in the country. I'm pretty sure the bits about "my brother is such a cheater" are just for fun. They both know how to sail and I don't think they need a time-out for the little bit of contact pictured here.
-Opti Fan
PS - The number 1 rule is safety. The number 14 rule is to avoid contact.
Hi,

Thank you for your polite comment. I understand the rules and as a Sailing School Board member and a waterfront director I guess we all understood safety was and is number one. I do understand team racing as my sons have done it for years. I guess my comment was based on the fact that they seemed to be going after each other. That is what I was concerned about and would have a problem with. I am glad we have this type of talent going forward.
Thanks,
Terry

Patrick Rynne 2 years ago

All valid points brought up.

Just to clarify, the "such a cheater" stuff is coming from me, not the boys. As stated, Duncan and Chris are two of, if not THE two best team racers in the WORLD for their age. Not an overstatement.
But on the other hand, they do honestly get into more situations with each other in practice than most. So there is some truth to the brother rivalry, but it is always sportsmanlike.
Situations can be seen two different ways all the time. Contact happens, though we certainly coach to avoid it. Protect yourself, never hit!
I always tell the kids, something as straight forward as a windward/leeward can different depending on interpretation. From my experience for example, keeping clear of a leeward boat in the United States seems far easier to do than in the UK. When I first did the Wilson, I was amazed by how many calls went against me when trying (and failing) to keep clear of what I thought was an overly aggressive leeward attacker.
always different ways to see the situation, the key is to ask the judges. What do THEY see. That really is the purpose of this series along with engaging in interesting discussion.
Great stuff.

Guru 2 years ago

This is actually not as easy a call as it looks. Chris does gain an overlap when Duncan gybes, so he has luffing rights. After the gybe though, Duncan is keeping clear of Chris with about a boat length between them. Duncan has no obligation to take further action. The logical thing to do here would be to put the board up.

Here's where it gets tricky: when Duncan heels to windward to try to roll Chris, he slides down on Chris, so close that if Chris were to head up or down, there would be immediate contact. Even before Chris heads up and initiates contact, Duncan is fouling.
Red flag Duncan.
If Duncan had tried to pass leaving just a little more space between the boats, and Chris' change of course at the end had still caused contact, then Duncan could claim that Chris broke rule 16.1 by not giving Duncan room to keep clear. Room is defined as "the space a boat needs in the existing conditions while maneuvering promptly in a seamanlike way," which in Optis means space to allow Duncan to first put his board back down and then to head up to avoid.

2 years ago

you guys indulge yourselves in this stuff way too much

Opti Fan 2 years ago

I know this is supposed to be a teachable moment but 5 issues between two brothers is just silly. If my kids did that they would have been pulled off the water and a very interesting discussion would have happen. Also isn't the number one rule to avoid contact?... ...Maybe a little shore time and some discussion of rules and sportsmanship might help them. Also their coachneeds to stop that stuff if the parents don't
Terry,

This is team racing. There are going to be "issues" in every race. I'm sure the reason we see these two kids time and time again is because they both know the rules so well and have the talent to execute the moves, leading to interesting situations for us wannabe umpires. That's why they are two of the top Opti sailors in the country. I'm pretty sure the bits about "my brother is such a cheater" are just for fun. They both know how to sail and I don't think they need a time-out for the little bit of contact pictured here.
-Opti Fan
PS - The number 1 rule is safety. The number 14 rule is to avoid contact.

Terry 2 years ago

I know this is supposed to be a teachable moment but 5 issues between two brothers is just silly. If my kids did that they would have been pulled off the water and a very interesting discussion would have happen. Also isn't the number one rule to avoid contact? Both of my sons raced against each other in Optis, X-Boats [a Midwest thing] and Lasers. They also went to the same college and raced there.The best sailors got to travel so they also raced each other 4 days a week so they could travel. Maybe a little shore time and some discussion of rules and sportsmanship might help them. Also their coachneeds to stop that stuff if the parents don't

child's play 2 years ago

windward boat was not keeping clear throughout. could have established space but instead pulled up the daggerboard, bore off, and tried to roll the leeward boat.