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Uploaded by Patrick Rynne | March 17, 2010
Optimist team racing both here in the United States and the rest of the world should switch to 3 on 3 racing. The current 4 on 4 approach is bad for the kids, the event organizers, the umpires, and the spectators. Switch to 3 on 3, and everybody will be better off.
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Patrick Rynne
3 years ago
Great point Amanda! There is a LOT of validity to do 2 on 2. I think it is far and away the best way to introduce kids to team racing. They learn the fundamentals without getting the deer on headlights look when trying to remember combinations. |
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interested party
3 years ago
Amanda- Verrry interesting idea ! |
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Amanda Callahan
3 years ago
First, I agree with Pat. Having coached team racing on the Opti level up through college sailing, I can wholeheartedly say that 4 v. 4 for young team racers is NOT the best experience they could be having. The majority of the Opti sailors I've seen have no idea what is going on, and for the teams that have team race coaches, they're usually faster and end up winning anyways. I've even had sailors come up to me after the race and ask, "Who won?" |
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Patrick Rynne
3 years ago
I agree that there are more unstable combinations in 4 on 4, and it certainly allows for continuous action around the course. The problem in my opinion is that the 4 on 4 format isn't the BEST way. |
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Interested Party
3 years ago
I respectfully disagree with those that believe 4v4 team racing should be replaced with 3v3 for Opti team racing. |
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Optigon
3 years ago
I agree Patrick that the change needs to come from IODA and yes, USODA should be a leader. On the other hand if we're interested in evidence based outcome data I'd argue that US sailors are not being done a disservice with the present format. Look at the results from the most recent 3 "big" college TR events in Charleston, Navy and St. Mary's. At a minimum, 8 of the 9 skippers from the winning teams all did Opti team racing at international events and most were on championship opti team race teams here in the US or their home country. If 4v4 is so complex then moving from that to the less complex as the sailors age can only be a good thing..they can devote those newly freed brain cells to other adolescent/young adult thoughts and behaviors. |
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Combo Chaos
3 years ago
I agree 100% with Patrick. Years ago high school team racing in US was 4v4 - I sailed in it and it was total chaos most of the time. People said that going to 3v3 would reduce participation. In fact the opposite happened. Let's see, what do I do if I am 4 in a 1,3,5,8v2,4,6,7??...oh yes it's obvious isn't it! Try asking any US opti team member that has team raced internationally and see if you get an answer quickly enough to be useful in real time on a race course. |
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Patrick Rynne
3 years ago
Correction, not just USODA should switch to 3 on 3, ALL Opti team racing worldwide should be. I expect USODA can lead the way. |
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optigon
3 years ago
Were USODA move to 3 on 3 US Opti sailors would be either excluded or unprepared for international opti team race competition where it's all 4 on 4. While Patrick is correct about team racing beyond Opti's, it's still excellent learning experience and most sailors seem to love it. Maybe it's just too complex for Patrick ;-) |

I like Amanda's idea, you could replace a full 4v4 race with two 2v2 races that start shortly after one another. Could even combine the scores in some way? Offers an interesting dynamic as teams would then have to figure out which two of their team to sail against each of the other team's pairs.